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Old January 30th, 2019, 01:56 PM
Ryan McGill
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Default [Dixonary] OT: Dealing Software

I see Guerri is frustrated at dealing software-less, and that looks like a
fairly common complaint.

If there was some sort of online portal (perhaps at dixonary.net) to use in
lieu of dealing software, would that be of interest to anyone?

I'd assume there would need to be a whole name/password thing to keep bots
from posting, at least if my company's web backend is any sign of what that
looks like.

But otherwise?

I assume several people would like to continue playing from their email, so
that should remain possible. But that seems doable. Shouldn't be too hard
to make something that collates emails and awards points, no?

Is anyone else interested in brainstorming this or adding thoughts? Does
anyone think this is definitely a bad idea for some reason? I'm open to
feedback of any sort.

Tell me what you expect, please.

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Old January 30th, 2019, 02:05 PM
France International/Mike Shefler
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Default Re: [Dixonary] OT: Dealing Software

It's an interesting idea, but I would probably not use it. I'm comfortable using Froma's autodealer, which works fine in DosBox. And given that I only used it about 10 times a year, it's not worth it learning something else.

--Mike



On 1/30/2019 2:56 PM, Ryan McGill wrote:






I see Guerri is frustrated at dealing software-less, and that looks like a fairly common complaint.






If there was some sort of online portal (perhaps at dixonary.net) to use in lieu of dealing software, would that be of interest to anyone?






I'd assume there would need to be a whole name/password thing to keep bots from posting, at least if my company's web backend is any sign of what that looks like.








But otherwise?








I assume several people would like to continue playing from their email, so that should remain possible. But that seems doable. Shouldn't be too hard to make something that collates emails and awards points, no?








Is anyone else interested in brainstorming this or adding thoughts? Does anyone think this is definitely a bad idea for some reason? I'm open to feedback of any sort.








Tell me what you expect, please.



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Old January 31st, 2019, 10:07 AM
Guerri Stevens
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Default Re: [Dixonary] OT: Dealing Software

If I "win" the deal at some future point, I can decide to decline to
deal. The problem I have with that is I will consider that I am not
doing my share of the work (sigh).I can choose to feel guilty about not
dealing, and decline to do it anyway. Is there some way to play other
than Email?

I don't really understand why the dealing software doesn't work on my
computer. I am pretty sure the software is DOS and I figured I could
just go to a command prompt and it would work but it doesn't. I have
heard of something called a DOS box, that can be set up. I admit I have
not investigated that. I have told myself that I should not more or less
artificially prolong my use of old software. That would mean that
everytime there is a new version of the operating system, the old
software I'd be using will have to be accomodated once again.

Is everyone dealing manually now? There used to be a couple of dealing
programs. One was written by Paul Keating, I think, and was called
Coryphaeus or something like that. I don't think Paul has participated
for quite a while.I tried to look him up, and did find a Paul Keating,
but I don't know whether it was "our" Paul. What I found had an
interesting comment about cats, though, but I don't remember what it was.

Since I mentioned guilt, I seem to remember some saying about "guilt".
As I recall the saying was that if you have to make a choice between
resentment and guilt, choose guilt. The rationale is that guilt is
internal whereas resentment is external.

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On 1/30/2019 2:56 PM, Ryan McGill wrote:
> I see Guerri is frustrated at dealing software-less, and that looks
> like a fairly common complaint.
>


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Old January 31st, 2019, 10:24 PM
Daniel Widdis
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Default Re: [Dixonary] OT: Dealing Software

The problem with some of the older dealing software is “None of your bitness.”



The two DOS-based applications (AutoDealer and Dixomatic) are 16-bit applications.* 16 bit applications can only address 1 Megabyte of memory.* 32 bit applications can address 4 GB.* Even that is small now…



Microsoft supported these 16-bit applications all the way through 32-bit Windows 7, using an emulator, but decided when they switched to 64-bit operating systems they decided it was too much effort to re-invent the wheel of the 16-bit DOS emulator just to support 16-bit apps.* *What you see on your computer that looks like DOS is actually just a “Command Prompt” which is a 32- or 64- bit application.



Your options to run the old 16-bit dealer programs are:
Run a 32-bit operating system (Win7, Win 8, Win 10 all have 32-bit versions) and enable the NTVDM feature.
Install a 16-bit emulator.


#2 isn’t that hard.* GO to this page and pick one of the two links at the top, ignoring all the rest.* http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/64bitwindows.html ***I don’t think AutoDealer is a good place to start unless you’ve already been using it, but Dixomatic is actually amazingly easy and intuitive and I highly recommend going through the effort to get it running.



Coryphaeus is a 32-bit application and works on modern 32- or 64-bit systems.* I still use it when I deal.* Unfortunately, Paul stopped supporting it.* It still works if you are patient enough to set it up, and you can ignore the occasional glitches and formatting oddness.* I’ve put the latest install files for that on my dropbox and can help anyone set it up if they want to try to use it.*



All that said, I think the effort involved in writing a web-based dealing software will far exceed the benefit of its use.* But I would still love to participate in writing such a thing, because it’d be a fun project!* https://xkcd.com/1319/ is relevant.





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If I "win" the deal at some future point, I can decide to decline to deal. The problem I have with that is I will consider that I am not doing my share of the work (sigh).I can choose to feel guilty about not dealing, and decline to do it anyway. Is there some way to play other than Email?

I don't really understand why the dealing software doesn't work on my computer. I am pretty sure the software is DOS and I figured I could just go to a command prompt and it would work but it doesn't. I have heard of something called a DOS box, that can be set up. I admit I have not investigated that. I have told myself that I should not more or less artificially prolong my use of old software. That would mean that everytime there is a new version of the operating system, the old software I'd be using will have to be accomodated once again.

Is everyone dealing manually now? There used to be a couple of dealing programs. One was written by Paul Keating, I think, and was called Coryphaeus or something like that. I don't think Paul has participated for quite a while.I tried to look him up, and did find a Paul Keating, but I don't know whether it was "our" Paul. What I found had an interesting comment about cats, though, but I don't remember what it was.

Since I mentioned guilt, I seem to remember some saying about "guilt". As I recall the saying was that if you have to make a choice between resentment and guilt, choose guilt. The rationale is that guilt is internal whereas resentment is external.

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Old February 1st, 2019, 10:45 AM
Guerri Stevens
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Default Re: [Dixonary] OT: Dealing Software

I was using Dixomatic. I have decided, at least for now, to just deal
manually. I will probably jinx myself by saying this, but I deal very
rarely.* Yes, I know what I see is a command prompt. It should therefore
accept my commands. OK, terrible pun.


On 1/31/2019 11:24 PM, Daniel Widdis wrote:
>
> The problem with some of the older dealing software is “None of your
> bitness.”
>
> The two DOS-based applications (AutoDealer and Dixomatic) are 16-bit
> applications.* 16 bit applications can only address 1 Megabyte of
> memory.* 32 bit applications can address 4 GB.* Even that is small now…
>
> Microsoft supported these 16-bit applications all the way through
> 32-bit Windows 7, using an emulator, but decided when they switched to
> 64-bit operating systems they decided it was too much effort to
> re-invent the wheel of the 16-bit DOS emulator just to support 16-bit
> apps. *What you see on your computer that looks like DOS is actually
> just a “Command Prompt” which is a 32- or 64- bit application.
>
> Your options to run the old 16-bit dealer programs are:
>
> 1. Run a 32-bit operating system (Win7, Win 8, Win 10 all have 32-bit
> versions) and enable the NTVDM feature.
> 2. Install a 16-bit emulator.
>
> #2 isn’t that hard.* GO to this page and pick one of the two links at
> the top, ignoring all the rest.
> http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/64bitwindows.html ***I don’t think
> AutoDealer is a good place to start unless you’ve already been using
> it, but Dixomatic is actually amazingly easy and intuitive and I
> highly recommend going through the effort to get it running.
>
> Coryphaeus is a 32-bit application and works on modern 32- or 64-bit
> systems.* I still use it when I deal.* Unfortunately, Paul stopped
> supporting it.* It still works if you are patient enough to set it up,
> and you can ignore the occasional glitches and formatting oddness.*
> I’ve put the latest install files for that on my dropbox and can help
> anyone set it up if they want to try to use it.
>
> All that said, I think the effort involved in writing a web-based
> dealing software will far exceed the benefit of its use.* But I would
> still love to participate in writing such a thing, because it’d be a
> fun project! https://xkcd.com/1319/ is relevant.
>
> From: <dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com> on behalf of Guerri Stevens
> <guerri (AT) guerristevens (DOT) com>
>
> Reply-To: <dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com>
>
> Date: Thursday, January 31, 2019 at 8:07 AM
>
> To: <dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com>
>
> Subject: Re: [Dixonary] OT: Dealing Software
>
> If I "win" the deal at some future point, I can decide to decline to
> deal. The problem I have with that is I will consider that I am not
> doing my share of the work (sigh).I can choose to feel guilty about
> not dealing, and decline to do it anyway. Is there some way to play
> other than Email?
>
> I don't really understand why the dealing software doesn't work on my
> computer. I am pretty sure the software is DOS and I figured I could
> just go to a command prompt and it would work but it doesn't. I have
> heard of something called a DOS box, that can be set up. I admit I
> have not investigated that. I have told myself that I should not more
> or less artificially prolong my use of old software. That would mean
> that everytime there is a new version of the operating system, the old
> software I'd be using will have to be accomodated once again.
>
> Is everyone dealing manually now? There used to be a couple of dealing
> programs. One was written by Paul Keating, I think, and was called
> Coryphaeus or something like that. I don't think Paul has participated
> for quite a while.I tried to look him up, and did find a Paul Keating,
> but I don't know whether it was "our" Paul. What I found had an
> interesting comment about cats, though, but I don't remember what it was.
>
> Since I mentioned guilt, I seem to remember some saying about "guilt".
> As I recall the saying was that if you have to make a choice between
> resentment and guilt, choose guilt. The rationale is that guilt is
> internal whereas resentment is external.
>
> --
>
> Guerri
>
> On 1/30/2019 2:56 PM, Ryan McGill wrote:
>
> I see Guerri is frustrated at dealing software-less, and that looks
> like a fairly common complaint.
>
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Old February 1st, 2019, 11:12 AM
Ryan McGill
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That makes sense. The idea behind having a potential web interface is
compatibility. Browsers tend to be on all sorts of devices, thus there
would be more cross-platform utility. And visual interfaces tend to be more
intuitive to use (which is not to say program), so that shouldn't be an
issue.

I had a friend about 15 years ago who set up a script to monitor his email
for incoming photos. He'd text a photo to his email, and then the script
would automatically post it to his LiveJournal. I'm not sure of the details
of how that worked, but it seems to me that something along the same lines
could work in such a way that people who like using email can continue to
do so.



On Thursday, January 31, 2019 at 8:24:53 PM UTC-8, Daniel Widdis wrote:
>
> The problem with some of the older dealing software is “None of your
> bitness.”
>
>
>
> The two DOS-based applications (AutoDealer and Dixomatic) are 16-bit
> applications. 16 bit applications can only address 1 Megabyte of memory.
> 32 bit applications can address 4 GB. Even that is small now…
>
>
>
> Microsoft supported these 16-bit applications all the way through 32-bit
> Windows 7, using an emulator, but decided when they switched to 64-bit
> operating systems they decided it was too much effort to re-invent the
> wheel of the 16-bit DOS emulator just to support 16-bit apps. What you
> see on your computer that looks like DOS is actually just a “Command
> Prompt” which is a 32- or 64- bit application.
>
>
>
> Your options to run the old 16-bit dealer programs are:
>
> 1. Run a 32-bit operating system (Win7, Win 8, Win 10 all have 32-bit
> versions) and enable the NTVDM feature.
> 2. Install a 16-bit emulator.
>
>
>
> #2 isn’t that hard. GO to this page and pick one of the two links at the
> top, ignoring all the rest.
> http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/64bitwindows.html I don’t think
> AutoDealer is a good place to start unless you’ve already been using it,
> but Dixomatic is actually amazingly easy and intuitive and I highly
> recommend going through the effort to get it running.
>
>
>
> Coryphaeus is a 32-bit application and works on modern 32- or 64-bit
> systems. I still use it when I deal. Unfortunately, Paul stopped
> supporting it. It still works if you are patient enough to set it up, and
> you can ignore the occasional glitches and formatting oddness. I’ve put
> the latest install files for that on my dropbox and can help anyone set it
> up if they want to try to use it.
>
>
>
> All that said, I think the effort involved in writing a web-based dealing
> software will far exceed the benefit of its use. But I would still love to
> participate in writing such a thing, because it’d be a fun project!
> https://xkcd.com/1319/ is relevant.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: <dixo... (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com <javascript:>> on behalf of Guerri
> Stevens <gue... (AT) guerristevens (DOT) com <javascript:>>
>
> Reply-To: <dixo... (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com <javascript:>>
>
> Date: Thursday, January 31, 2019 at 8:07 AM
>
> To: <dixo... (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com <javascript:>>
>
> Subject: Re: [Dixonary] OT: Dealing Software
>
>
>
> If I "win" the deal at some future point, I can decide to decline to deal..
> The problem I have with that is I will consider that I am not doing my
> share of the work (sigh).I can choose to feel guilty about not dealing, and
> decline to do it anyway. Is there some way to play other than Email?
>
> I don't really understand why the dealing software doesn't work on my
> computer. I am pretty sure the software is DOS and I figured I could just
> go to a command prompt and it would work but it doesn't. I have heard of
> something called a DOS box, that can be set up. I admit I have not
> investigated that. I have told myself that I should not more or less
> artificially prolong my use of old software. That would mean that everytime
> there is a new version of the operating system, the old software I'd be
> using will have to be accomodated once again.
>
> Is everyone dealing manually now? There used to be a couple of dealing
> programs. One was written by Paul Keating, I think, and was called
> Coryphaeus or something like that. I don't think Paul has participated for
> quite a while.I tried to look him up, and did find a Paul Keating, but I
> don't know whether it was "our" Paul. What I found had an interesting
> comment about cats, though, but I don't remember what it was.
>
> Since I mentioned guilt, I seem to remember some saying about "guilt". As
> I recall the saying was that if you have to make a choice between
> resentment and guilt, choose guilt. The rationale is that guilt is internal
> whereas resentment is external.
>
> --
>
> Guerri
>
>
>
> On 1/30/2019 2:56 PM, Ryan McGill wrote:
>
> I see Guerri is frustrated at dealing software-less, and that looks like a
> fairly common complaint.
>
>
>
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Old February 1st, 2019, 05:08 PM
Tim Lodge
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Default [Dixonary] OT: Dealing Software

Ryan's idea of an online dealing system occurred to me as well some time
ago, as I've developed a number of online systems. However, the more I
thought about it, the more complicated it seemed to be. As Ryan says, it
would need a username/password system to ensure that only the dealer could
see the data for the current round - not a problem in itself, but an added
complication. It would also need to be maintained and supported, something
I decided I didn't want to do now that I've retired.

Instead, I've developed an Excel spreadsheet to handle dealing and scoring.
I've used it for several years now, and it's pretty stable. It still
requires a bit of manual intervention (mostly sorting lists) but it works
for me. I've now added some instructions to make it easier to understand.
If anyone would like a copy, I'd be happy to pass it on, but I'd suggest
that you need to be reasonably familiar with Excel to use it.

-- Tim L

On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 at 7:56:15 PM UTC, Ryan McGill wrote:
>
> I see Guerri is frustrated at dealing software-less, and that looks like a
> fairly common complaint.
>
> If there was some sort of online portal (perhaps at dixonary.net) to use
> in lieu of dealing software, would that be of interest to anyone?
>
> I'd assume there would need to be a whole name/password thing to keep bots
> from posting, at least if my company's web backend is any sign of what that
> looks like.
>
> But otherwise?
>
> I assume several people would like to continue playing from their email,
> so that should remain possible. But that seems doable. Shouldn't be too
> hard to make something that collates emails and awards points, no?
>
> Is anyone else interested in brainstorming this or adding thoughts? Does
> anyone think this is definitely a bad idea for some reason? I'm open to
> feedback of any sort.
>
> Tell me what you expect, please.
>


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Old February 1st, 2019, 10:59 PM
Daniel Widdis
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It doesn’t need to be that complicated.* *And if its scope was kept simple, maintenance/support would be minimal.



Again, it’s more trouble than what it’s worth but it’d be fun. ☺







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Date: Friday, February 1, 2019 at 3:08 PM
To: Dixonary <dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com>
Subject: [Dixonary] Re: OT: Dealing Software



Ryan's idea of an online dealing system occurred to me as well some time ago, as I've developed a number of online systems. However, the more I thought about it, the more complicated it seemed to be. As Ryan says, it would need a username/password system to ensure that only the dealer could see the data for the current round - not a problem in itself, but an added complication. It would also need to be maintained and supported, something I decided I didn't want to do now that I've retired.



Instead, I've developed an Excel spreadsheet to handle dealing and scoring. I've used it for several years now, and it's pretty stable. It still requires a bit of manual intervention (mostly sorting lists) but it works for me. I've now added some instructions to make it easier to understand. If anyone would like a copy, I'd be happy to pass it on, but I'd suggest that you need to be reasonably familiar with Excel to use it.



-- Tim L


On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 at 7:56:15 PM UTC, Ryan McGill wrote:

I see Guerri is frustrated at dealing software-less, and that looks like a fairly common complaint.



If there was some sort of online portal (perhaps at dixonary.net) to use in lieu of dealing software, would that be of interest to anyone?



I'd assume there would need to be a whole name/password thing to keep bots from posting, at least if my company's web backend is any sign of what that looks like.



But otherwise?



I assume several people would like to continue playing from their email, so that should remain possible. But that seems doable. Shouldn't be too hard to make something that collates emails and awards points, no?



Is anyone else interested in brainstorming this or adding thoughts? Does anyone think this is definitely a bad idea for some reason? I'm open to feedback of any sort.



Tell me what you expect, please.

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Old February 2nd, 2019, 03:49 AM
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I will just add one caveat to 32 bit Win 10

Yes, using NTVDM works well and I can and do run 32-bit software
successfully everyday - (including DIXOMAT): however, for some reason
every other Winupdate to Win 10 32bit pro does two things

1. it always changes my keyboard and language settings to USA - I
notice it the moment I try to type a double-quotes or a # or an @ --
OK so it is simple to put that right but it shouldn't happen (of
course, you guys mostly wouldn't notice because that is your setting
anyway)
2. Much more seriously it totally removes all traces from the machine
of Windows office 2016 and Office 365 - nothing is left that I can
find except OfficeclicktoRun and that of course does nothing. I
reinstalled both twice but then gave up and now use different office
software.


caveat emptor
*
JohnnyB
*
On 01/02/2019 04:24, Daniel Widdis wrote:
>
> The problem with some of the older dealing software is “None of your
> bitness.”
>
> The two DOS-based applications (AutoDealer and Dixomatic) are 16-bit
> applications.* 16 bit applications can only address 1 Megabyte of
> memory.* 32 bit applications can address 4 GB.* Even that is small now…
>
> Microsoft supported these 16-bit applications all the way through
> 32-bit Windows 7, using an emulator, but decided when they switched to
> 64-bit operating systems they decided it was too much effort to
> re-invent the wheel of the 16-bit DOS emulator just to support 16-bit
> apps. *What you see on your computer that looks like DOS is actually
> just a “Command Prompt” which is a 32- or 64- bit application.
>
> Your options to run the old 16-bit dealer programs are:
>
> 1. Run a 32-bit operating system (Win7, Win 8, Win 10 all have 32-bit
> versions) and enable the NTVDM feature.
> 2. Install a 16-bit emulator.
>
> #2 isn’t that hard.* GO to this page and pick one of the two links at
> the top, ignoring all the rest.
> http://www.columbia.edu/~em36/wpdos/64bitwindows.html
> <http://www.columbia.edu/%7Eem36/wpdos/64bitwindows.html> ***I don’t
> think AutoDealer is a good place to start unless you’ve already been
> using it, but Dixomatic is actually amazingly easy and intuitive and I
> highly recommend going through the effort to get it running.
>
> Coryphaeus is a 32-bit application and works on modern 32- or 64-bit
> systems.* I still use it when I deal.* Unfortunately, Paul stopped
> supporting it.* It still works if you are patient enough to set it up,
> and you can ignore the occasional glitches and formatting oddness.*
> I’ve put the latest install files for that on my dropbox and can help
> anyone set it up if they want to try to use it.
>
> All that said, I think the effort involved in writing a web-based
> dealing software will far exceed the benefit of its use.* But I would
> still love to participate in writing such a thing, because it’d be a
> fun project! https://xkcd.com/1319/ is relevant.
>
> From: <dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com> on behalf of Guerri Stevens
> <guerri (AT) guerristevens (DOT) com>
>
> Reply-To: <dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com>
>
> Date: Thursday, January 31, 2019 at 8:07 AM
>
> To: <dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com>
>
> Subject: Re: [Dixonary] OT: Dealing Software
>
> If I "win" the deal at some future point, I can decide to decline to
> deal. The problem I have with that is I will consider that I am not
> doing my share of the work (sigh).I can choose to feel guilty about
> not dealing, and decline to do it anyway. Is there some way to play
> other than Email?
>
> I don't really understand why the dealing software doesn't work on my
> computer. I am pretty sure the software is DOS and I figured I could
> just go to a command prompt and it would work but it doesn't. I have
> heard of something called a DOS box, that can be set up. I admit I
> have not investigated that. I have told myself that I should not more
> or less artificially prolong my use of old software. That would mean
> that everytime there is a new version of the operating system, the old
> software I'd be using will have to be accomodated once again.
>
> Is everyone dealing manually now? There used to be a couple of dealing
> programs. One was written by Paul Keating, I think, and was called
> Coryphaeus or something like that. I don't think Paul has participated
> for quite a while.I tried to look him up, and did find a Paul Keating,
> but I don't know whether it was "our" Paul. What I found had an
> interesting comment about cats, though, but I don't remember what it was.
>
> Since I mentioned guilt, I seem to remember some saying about "guilt".
> As I recall the saying was that if you have to make a choice between
> resentment and guilt, choose guilt. The rationale is that guilt is
> internal whereas resentment is external.
>
> --
>
> Guerri
>
> On 1/30/2019 2:56 PM, Ryan McGill wrote:
>
> I see Guerri is frustrated at dealing software-less, and that looks
> like a fairly common complaint.
>
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Old February 8th, 2019, 02:13 PM
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It's occurred to me three times now, and I only just realized I should
write it down in case I forget again:

Authentication credentials don't need to be a big deal. Google login is a
very common authentication method nowadays, and we all have google logins
because we're all already subscribed to this Google group. The only thing
that we'd need is to ensure that anyone accessing the interface is already
subscribed to the Google group. That doesn't seem all that complicated, but
I don't really know how one would do such a thing.




On Friday, February 1, 2019 at 8:59:06 PM UTC-8, Daniel Widdis wrote:
>
> It doesn’t need to be that complicated. And if its scope was kept
> simple, maintenance/support would be minimal.
>
>
>
> Again, it’s more trouble than what it’s worth but it’d be fun. ☺
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *<dixo... (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com <javascript:>> on behalf of Tim Lodge <
> d... (AT) timlodge (DOT) co.uk <javascript:>>
> *Reply-To: *<dixo... (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com <javascript:>>
> *Date: *Friday, February 1, 2019 at 3:08 PM
> *To: *Dixonary <dixo... (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com <javascript:>>
> *Subject: *[Dixonary] Re: OT: Dealing Software
>
>
>
> Ryan's idea of an online dealing system occurred to me as well some time
> ago, as I've developed a number of online systems. However, the more I
> thought about it, the more complicated it seemed to be. As Ryan says, it
> would need a username/password system to ensure that only the dealer could
> see the data for the current round - not a problem in itself, but an added
> complication. It would also need to be maintained and supported, something
> I decided I didn't want to do now that I've retired.
>
>
>
> Instead, I've developed an Excel spreadsheet to handle dealing and
> scoring. I've used it for several years now, and it's pretty stable. It
> still requires a bit of manual intervention (mostly sorting lists) but it
> works for me. I've now added some instructions to make it easier to
> understand. If anyone would like a copy, I'd be happy to pass it on, but
> I'd suggest that you need to be reasonably familiar with Excel to use it.
>
>
>
> -- Tim L
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 30, 2019 at 7:56:15 PM UTC, Ryan McGill wrote:
>
> I see Guerri is frustrated at dealing software-less, and that looks like a
> fairly common complaint.
>
>
>
> If there was some sort of online portal (perhaps at dixonary.net) to use
> in lieu of dealing software, would that be of interest to anyone?
>
>
>
> I'd assume there would need to be a whole name/password thing to keep bots
> from posting, at least if my company's web backend is any sign of what that
> looks like.
>
>
>
> But otherwise?
>
>
>
> I assume several people would like to continue playing from their email,
> so that should remain possible. But that seems doable. Shouldn't be too
> hard to make something that collates emails and awards points, no?
>
>
>
> Is anyone else interested in brainstorming this or adding thoughts? Does
> anyone think this is definitely a bad idea for some reason? I'm open to
> feedback of any sort.
>
>
>
> Tell me what you expect, please.
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Old February 10th, 2019, 12:20 AM
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The dealing software never worked for me, so I have always dealt by hand,
compiling defs and votes on Word then copying into the Dix site. I have
never had a problem when I have adequately proofread and not tried to go
too fast.

Nancy

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