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Old August 20th, 2019, 02:31 PM
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How would you translate this expression for those who have never seen
any non-digital timekeeping devices:

"who has your six".

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Old August 20th, 2019, 02:55 PM
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Guerri

That is not an expression that I have ever heard so I guess it is (as
you indicate) clock-face based meaning that you can cover your front but
that you need someone to cover your back, if so then such an
explanationÂ* - without the clock face but still based on the circle of
the world in which we live - should be good enough

Of course, if that isn't what it means then I am wasting my time!

*JohnnyB*
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You mean that this person has never seen an analog clock in a church or any other steeple, at a railroad station, at the back of a classroom, on a kitchen wall, anywhere at all? And has no concept of twelve o'clock being at the top, one a bit to the right, and so on? I know we're in the digital age, but even my eleven-year-old grandchildren (not twins, two sons whose wives happened to get pregnant around the same time) get this stuff.

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Old August 20th, 2019, 03:10 PM
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My cousin, a former high school teacher, told me she had a student who
thought that a quarter past the hour meant 25 after!

Judy

On Tue, Aug 20, 2019, 4:07 PM 'Efrem G Mallach' via Dixonary <
dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com> wrote:

> You mean that this person has never seen an analog clock in a church or
> any other steeple, at a railroad station, at the back of a classroom, on a
> kitchen wall, anywhere at all? And has no concept of twelve o'clock being
> at the top, one a bit to the right, and so on? I know we're in the digital
> age, but even my eleven-year-old grandchildren (not twins, two sons whose
> wives happened to get pregnant around the same time) get this stuff.
>
> Efrem
>
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> wrote:
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> How would you translate this expression for those who have never seen any
> non-digital timekeeping devices:
>
> "who has your six".
>
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Fractions aside, I bet even that student knew that four o'clock is a bit down from due right.

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> On Aug 20, 2019, at 4:10 PM, Judy M. <jmadnick (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
>
> My cousin, a former high school teacher, told me she had a student who thought that a quarter past the hour meant 25 after!
>
> Judy
>
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019, 4:07 PM 'Efrem G Mallach' via Dixonary <dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com <mailto:dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com>> wrote:
> You mean that this person has never seen an analog clock in a church or any other steeple, at a railroad station, at the back of a classroom, on a kitchen wall, anywhere at all? And has no concept of twelve o'clock being at the top, one a bit to the right, and so on? I know we're in the digital age, but even my eleven-year-old grandchildren (not twins, two sons whose wives happened to get pregnant around the same time) get this stuff.
>
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>
>> On Aug 20, 2019, at 3:31 PM, Guerri Stevens <guerri (AT) guerristevens (DOT) com <mailto:guerri (AT) guerristevens (DOT) com>> wrote:
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>> How would you translate this expression for those who have never seen any non-digital timekeeping devices:
>>
>> "who has your six".
>>
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Old August 20th, 2019, 03:17 PM
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Maybe.

On Tue, Aug 20, 2019, 4:15 PM 'Efrem G Mallach' via Dixonary <
dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com> wrote:

> Fractions aside, I bet even that student knew that four o'clock is a bit
> down from due right.
>
> e
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> On Aug 20, 2019, at 4:10 PM, Judy M. <jmadnick (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
>
> My cousin, a former high school teacher, told me she had a student who
> thought that a quarter past the hour meant 25 after!
>
> Judy
>
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019, 4:07 PM 'Efrem G Mallach' via Dixonary <
> dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com> wrote:
>
>> You mean that this person has never seen an analog clock in a church or
>> any other steeple, at a railroad station, at the back of a classroom, on a
>> kitchen wall, anywhere at all? And has no concept of twelve o'clock being
>> at the top, one a bit to the right, and so on? I know we're in the digital
>> age, but even my eleven-year-old grandchildren (not twins, two sons whose
>> wives happened to get pregnant around the same time) get this stuff.
>>
>> Efrem
>>
>> On Aug 20, 2019, at 3:31 PM, Guerri Stevens <guerri (AT) guerristevens (DOT) com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> How would you translate this expression for those who have never seen any
>> non-digital timekeeping devices:
>>
>> "who has your six".
>>
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Old August 20th, 2019, 04:03 PM
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> "who has your six".

I'm with Johnny; I've never heard this. Why not just "Who has your back?" It's no longer.

Best wishes,
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Old August 20th, 2019, 04:56 PM
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I'd never heard that construction until a couple years ago, when it got
rather popular due to a military-related marketing campaign. I saw it
recently in a trailer for some movie, as well, but I don't remember which
one. The joke in the trailer was essentially asking the same thing you are:
how do you keep that idiom relevant?

Even so, I've only heard the concept voiced as a declaration, not a
question: "I've got your back," or "I've got your six," as opposed to
"who's got."

And I strongly prefer an analogue face clock, and I've made a point of
trying to teach the kids in my sphere how to navigate that, for what it's
worth. Some cotton to the concepts better than others, but we're not
guaranteed a digital world forever, so may as well.


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> > "who has your six".

>
> I'm with Johnny; I've never heard this. Why not just "Who has your back?"
> It's no longer.
>
> Best wishes,
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Old August 20th, 2019, 06:05 PM
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The idiom "on your six" is probably the original that the
question/statement derived from, and indeed is clock-face based. "Who's
got your back?" is probably a good translation.

This site gives a good summary of clock-face terminology:
https://english.stackexchange.com/qu...on-expressions

To save you the trouble of reading, the origin of the term is primarily
associated with the the need to relay relative position to someone over the
radio, and probably came in with aircraft in WW I.

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> I'd never heard that construction until a couple years ago, when it got
> rather popular due to a military-related marketing campaign. I saw it
> recently in a trailer for some movie, as well, but I don't remember which
> one. The joke in the trailer was essentially asking the same thing you are:
> how do you keep that idiom relevant?
>
> Even so, I've only heard the concept voiced as a declaration, not a
> question: "I've got your back," or "I've got your six," as opposed to
> "who's got."
>
> And I strongly prefer an analogue face clock, and I've made a point of
> trying to teach the kids in my sphere how to navigate that, for what it's
> worth. Some cotton to the concepts better than others, but we're not
> guaranteed a digital world forever, so may as well.
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 20, 2019 at 2:03:53 PM UTC-7, Tim B wrote:
>>
>> > "who has your six".

>>
>> I'm with Johnny; I've never heard this. Why not just "Who has your back?"
>> It's no longer.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Tim Bourne.
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Old August 20th, 2019, 08:36 PM
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It means who’s watching your back. I think it’s derived from WW II fighter pilot lingo that used the clock face to locate enemy aircraft (bandits at 12 o’clock high).

Chris

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You mean that this person has never seen an analog clock in a church or any other steeple, at a railroad station, at the back of a classroom, on a kitchen wall, anywhere at all? And has no concept of twelve o'clock being at the top, one a bit to the right, and so on? I know we're in the digital age, but even my eleven-year-old grandchildren (not twins, two sons whose wives happened to get pregnant around the same time) get this stuff.

Efrem

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How would you translate this expression for those who have never seen any non-digital timekeeping devices:

"who has your six".

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Old August 20th, 2019, 08:56 PM
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I think we all know what it means. Given our ages, we know how it relates to a clock face, and I think many of us associate its origin with fighter pilots. However, the original question was not 'What is its origin?", but "How do you explain its origin to someone who has no exposure to analog clocks with hands?" I still haven't seen a good answer to that one.

I don't see an alternative to showing that youngster a picture of, say, Big Ben, and explaining how people used to tell time. Is there a better way?

Efrem

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> On Aug 20, 2019, at 9:36 PM, Christopher Carson <clcarson (AT) live (DOT) com> wrote:
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> It means who’s watching your back. I think it’s derived from WW II fighter pilot lingo that used the clock face to locate enemy aircraft (bandits at 12 o’clock high).
>
> Chris
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Aug 20, 2019, at 16:07, 'Efrem G Mallach' via Dixonary <dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com <mailto:dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com>> wrote:
>
>> You mean that this person has never seen an analog clock in a church or any other steeple, at a railroad station, at the back of a classroom, on a kitchen wall, anywhere at all? And has no concept of twelve o'clock being at the top, one a bit to the right, and so on? I know we're in the digital age, but even my eleven-year-old grandchildren (not twins, two sons whose wives happened to get pregnant around the same time) get this stuff.
>>
>> Efrem
>>
>>> On Aug 20, 2019, at 3:31 PM, Guerri Stevens <guerri (AT) guerristevens (DOT) com <mailto:guerri (AT) guerristevens (DOT) com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> How would you translate this expression for those who have never seen any non-digital timekeeping devices:
>>>
>>> "who has your six".
>>>
>>> -- Guerri
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Old August 21st, 2019, 06:03 AM
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As an ex-miltary aviator, the expression "who has your six" makes perfect
sense to me, although I must say I don't remember hearing it during my
service career. We certainly used to say "watch your six" in a non-flying
context, meaning "look behind you".

In a fast jet battle formation (I'm talking of more than 40 years ago now)
members of the formation would be responsible for keeping watch over their
fellow formation members' rear hemisphere, which is just about impossible
to view from your own cockpit. Hence we might say "I've got your six
o'clock covered".

-- Tim L

On Tuesday, August 20, 2019 at 8:31:13 PM UTC+1, Guerri wrote:
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> How would you translate this expression for those who have never seen any
> non-digital timekeeping devices:
>
> "who has your six".
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Old August 21st, 2019, 06:05 AM
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I’m sure we all know what it means, but the question was how to translate the expressiion. Showing a picture of a clock would be a good visual aid. We have several analog clocks in the house, including one in the kitchen so hopefully our granddaughters (7 and 10) will be able tell time the old way. If I’m not mistaken, one of their school exercises included analog clocks. I would hope so anyway.

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I think we all know what it means. Given our ages, we know how it relates to a clock face, and I think many of us associate its origin with fighter pilots. However, the original question was not 'What is its origin?", but "How do you explain its origin to someone who has no exposure to analog clocks with hands?" I still haven't seen a good answer to that one.

I don't see an alternative to showing that youngster a picture of, say, Big Ben, and explaining how people used to tell time. Is there a better way?

Efrem

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On Aug 20, 2019, at 9:36 PM, Christopher Carson <clcarson (AT) live (DOT) com<mailto:clcarson (AT) live (DOT) com>> wrote:

It means who’s watching your back. I think it’s derived from WW II fighter pilot lingo that used the clock face to locate enemy aircraft (bandits at 12 o’clock high).

Chris

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On Aug 20, 2019, at 16:07, 'Efrem G Mallach' via Dixonary <dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com<mailto:dixonary (AT) googlegroups (DOT) com>> wrote:

You mean that this person has never seen an analog clock in a church or any other steeple, at a railroad station, at the back of a classroom, on a kitchen wall, anywhere at all? And has no concept of twelve o'clock being at the top, one a bit to the right, and so on? I know we're in the digital age, but even my eleven-year-old grandchildren (not twins, two sons whose wives happened to get pregnant around the same time) get this stuff.

Efrem

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How would you translate this expression for those who have never seen any non-digital timekeeping devices:

"who has your six".

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Yes, it means having your back. And if you were standing in the middle
of an old clock facing 12, six would be at your back.

On 8/20/2019 3:55 PM, Johnb - co.uk wrote:
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> Guerri
>
> That is not an expression that I have ever heard so I guess it is (as
> you indicate) clock-face based meaning that you can cover your front
> but that you need someone to cover your back, if so then such an
> explanationÂ* - without the clock face but still based on the circle of
> the world in which we live - should be good enough
>
> Of course, if that isn't what it means then I am wasting my time!
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> *JohnnyB*
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Old August 21st, 2019, 12:35 PM
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I don't remember where I heard it. Probably in some book I was reading.

On 8/20/2019 5:03 PM, Tim B wrote:
>> "who has your six".

>
> I'm with Johnny; I've never heard this. Why not just "Who has your
> back?" It's no longer.
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