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Tim B September 4th, 2020 04:24 AM

[Dixonary] OT: British and US English question
 
"If I had been late I would have missed the bus."

That is normal British English to me. I've come across a number of American writers who say the same
thing as:

"If I would have been late I would have missed the bus."

Is that correct American English?

Best wishes,
Tim Bourne.

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Efrem G Mallach September 4th, 2020 07:11 AM

Re: [Dixonary] OT: British and US English question
 
Tim,

Not in my 78+ years of experience, Granted, I only spoke something approximating American English for about 76 of them. I can, however, envisage a process taking place over time in which "I had" is contracted to "I'd," which is then erroneously expanded to "I would."

You might try posting this question in the English Only forum of Word Reference Forums:

https://forum.wordreference.com/forums/english-only.6/ <https://forum.wordreference.com/forums/english-only.6/>

You'll have to register for the site, but it's free and (as far as I know) low-risk. There's a bit of overlap between its posters and Dixonary players, Besides myself, Steve Graham, who played up to about round 2850, posts there; the late Dodi Schultz was quite active; and there may well be more.

Efrem

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> On Sep 4, 2020, at 5:24 AM, Tim B <dixonary (AT) siam (DOT) co.uk> wrote:
>
> "If I had been late I would have missed the bus."
>
> That is normal British English to me. I've come across a number of American writers who say the same thing as:
>
> "If I would have been late I would have missed the bus."
>
> Is that correct American English?
>
> Best wishes,
> Tim Bourne.


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Debbie September 4th, 2020 08:14 AM

Re: [Dixonary] OT: British and US English question
 
As an American, I would typically use the first option.

On Fri, Sep 4, 2020, 5:25 AM Tim B <dixonary (AT) siam (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

> "If I had been late I would have missed the bus."
>
> That is normal British English to me. I've come across a number of
> American writers who say the same
> thing as:
>
> "If I would have been late I would have missed the bus."
>
> Is that correct American English?
>
> Best wishes,
> Tim Bourne.
>
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September 4th, 2020 09:07 AM

RE: [Dixonary] OT: British and US English question
 
Tim – I’d go further. As an American, I would always use the first option. The second option is neither grammatically correct, although I don’t have the technical vocabulary to explain exactly why it isn’t, nor idiomatic.

Alan



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As an American, I would typically use the first option.

On Fri, Sep 4, 2020, 5:25 AM Tim B <dixonary (AT) siam (DOT) co.uk <mailto:dixonary (AT) siam (DOT) co.uk> > wrote:

"If I had been late I would have missed the bus."

That is normal British English to me. I've come across a number of American writers who say the same
thing as:

"If I would have been late I would have missed the bus."

Is that correct American English?

Best wishes,
Tim Bourne.

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Judy Madnick September 4th, 2020 10:31 AM

Re: [Dixonary] OT: British and US English question
 
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I, too, would use the first option.



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As an American, I would typically use the first option.





On Fri, Sep 4, 2020, 5:25 AM Tim B &lt;dixonary (AT) siam (DOT) co.uk&gt; wrote:


"If I had been late I would have missed the bus."

That is normal British English to me. I've come across a number of American writers who say the same
thing as:

"If I would have been late I would have missed the bus."

Is that correct American English?

Best wishes,
Tim Bourne.

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Johnb - co.uk September 4th, 2020 10:44 AM

Re: [Dixonary] OT: British and US English question
 
I would've used the first option but IÂ* could've used the second option
- could've now being theÂ* standard abbreviation for 'could of' which
appals me as meaningless

*JohnnyB*
On 04/09/2020 10:24, Tim B wrote:
> "If I had been late I would have missed the bus."
>
> That is normal British English to me. I've come across a number of
> American writers who say the same thing as:
>
> "If I would have been late I would have missed the bus."
>
> Is that correct American English?
>
> Best wishes,
> Tim Bourne.
>



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Debbie September 4th, 2020 10:54 AM

Re: [Dixonary] OT: British and US English question
 
Is this a case of "would've could've should've?"

Very unhealthy.

On Fri, Sep 4, 2020, 11:44 AM Johnb - co.uk <johnb (AT) john-barrs (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

> I would've used the first option but I could've used the second option -
> could've now being the standard abbreviation for 'could of' which appals
> me as meaningless
> *JohnnyB*
> On 04/09/2020 10:24, Tim B wrote:
>
> "If I had been late I would have missed the bus."
>
> That is normal British English to me. I've come across a number of
> American writers who say the same thing as:
>
> "If I would have been late I would have missed the bus."
>
> Is that correct American English?
>
> Best wishes,
> Tim Bourne.
>
>
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Paul Keating September 4th, 2020 10:57 AM

Re: [Dixonary] OT: British and US English question
 
I identify that use of *would *as an L2 error: Dutch speakers do it often
because it is a direct rendering of an equivalent *if*-clause in Dutch.

And it's not in my reference English grammar (Quirk, Greenbaum, Leech &
Svartvik), all 1120 pages of it, which is generally very thorough and
reliable about BrE/AmE differences. Still, absence of evidence isn't
evidence of absence, I suppose. And it came out in 1972, so it describes
the English of 50 years ago. Maybe it and I are both behind the times.

Any views on whether this is a generational thing? Are the writers all
Generation Z?

P

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Johnb - co.uk September 4th, 2020 11:08 AM

Re: [Dixonary] OT: British and US English question
 
might've been

*John*
On 04/09/2020 16:54, Debbie wrote:
> Is this a case of "would've could've should've?"
>
> Very unhealthy.



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Ryan McGill September 8th, 2020 05:04 PM

[Dixonary] OT: British and US English question
 
Around the PNW, I think it's pretty common to hear people say things like:

"If Ida been any later, I mighta missed the bus,"

or maybe:

"If I'd've been later, I prob'ly would've missed the bus."

I myself have said as much regularly, though I should note that both sides
of my family spent a generation or two in the Illinois/Indiana area and so
trade heavily in lower Great Lakes/midwestern idiom and slang.

On Friday, September 4, 2020 at 2:25:32 AM UTC-7 Tim B wrote:

> "If I had been late I would have missed the bus."
>
> That is normal British English to me. I've come across a number of
> American writers who say the same
> thing as:
>
> "If I would have been late I would have missed the bus."
>
> Is that correct American English?
>
> Best wishes,
> Tim Bourne.
>


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'France International/Mike Shefler' via Dixonary September 8th, 2020 05:07 PM

Re: [Dixonary] OT: British and US English question
 
Polly prolly woulda missed the trolley.



On 9/8/2020 6:04 PM, Ryan McGill wrote:


Around the PNW, I think it's pretty common to hear people say things like:






"If Ida been any later, I mighta missed the bus,"








or maybe:








"If I'd've been later, I prob'ly would've missed the bus."








I myself have said as much regularly, though I should note that both sides of my family spent a generation or two in the Illinois/Indiana area and so trade heavily in lower Great Lakes/midwestern idiom and slang.







On Friday, September 4, 2020 at 2:25:32 AM UTC-7 Tim B wrote:


"If I had been late I would have missed the bus."

That is normal British English to me. I've come across a number of American writers who say the same
thing as:

"If I would have been late I would have missed the bus."

Is that correct American English?

Best wishes,
Tim Bourne.


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